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Pierre Groulx's avatar

Thank you for making these differences clear. As you point out, confusion and opposition generally stem from blind belief or just not taking the time and care to be clear about one claim or another. 🙏🏼♥️

ignis Bailey's avatar

As always this post is a deeply thoughtful attempt to navigate a dilemma that Martin Jay describes very clearly in his book Genesis and Validity.

Modern scientific culture understandably privileges validity — what can be demonstrated, stabilised, and publicly verified — yet many human phenomena first appear at the level of genesis: lived experience, meaning, transformation, and changes in how a person inhabits the world. These are often real in their consequences long before they become representationally secure as “evidence.”

Your distinction between protecting experience from both fake certainty and fake dismissal seems to sit precisely at this tension. Jay’s point, as I understand it, is not that validity is wrong, but that problems arise when validity is allowed to erase genesis altogether. Much of medicine and psychology arguably live inside this unresolved dialectic.

Seen this way, experiences sometimes described as “spiritual” need not be treated as metaphysical claims, nor reduced to mere by-products, but understood as events that reorganise organism–world relations in ways that later become physiologically and behaviourally visible.

Your piece reads as someone encountering that boundary directly.

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